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  • Return of Constantine's Pannonian hat

    The Constantine I / Pannonian hat coin, made famous by Beast, returns again, in upcoming Gorny-Mosch auction 204, lot 2568.

    I know that a number of fakes have emerged of this coin, has another example been discovered that is accepted as genuine besides Zach's original?

    This example is clearly different from all the other pictures I was able to see -- for one thing, it is officina Δ, all the other examples display officina Γ. The obv legend is also clearly reads PERP, which was a point of some contention with Zach's coin.

    Should be an interesting auction!

    --Robert
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  • #2
    Amazing!
    I don't see any obvious authenticity issue with this ex.

    Here is a better picture (just click right on the image, then Save as...).

    Jérôme
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    • #3
      A Questionable coin?

      Perhaps these are all just fantasy issues? Of course, I am no expert, but the history of these make be doubtful if any are "official". Hopefully, a hoard will be discovered and be intact with one among it to resolve the mystery. A while back, I mailed Zach a picture of a freize that displayed the emperor of this period with a "Hat", so it is plausible.

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      • #4
        Price realized = 2200 euros

        The Pannonian hat sold for 2200 euros (hammer price); 2530 euros with the buyer's premium, or about $3300. I'm sure that will encourage another round of fakes!

        --Robert

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        • #5
          Well, not really: from a price standpoint it is much more interesting to fake an aureus or a Greek Stater!

          Jérôme

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          • #6
            A very understandable price considering how unusual, rare, and mysterious the coin is. I agree, finding a hoard with one of these in it would be great! Could you send me the picture you sent Zach? I am very curious to see it.
            Nathan
            Thanks!
            Nathan Hochrein

            http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/hold...y_type=ancient

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            • #7
              It seems to me that the new piece, unlike Zach's coin, has a lot of smoothing in the fields and some tooling; look at the eye. Look also at the difference in color and texture between the obverse and reverse. I like Zach's coin, but am suspicious of this piece.

              Mac

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              • #8
                Originally posted by djmacdo View Post
                It seems to me that the new piece, unlike Zach's coin, has a lot of smoothing in the fields and some tooling; look at the eye.
                Some smoothing, but it doesn't look like the type has been completely reconstructed. Of course one must examine smoothed areas but many bronzes come from ground with big patches of oxides on the surfaces, and smoothing is sometimes necessary to reveal the original details.

                Originally posted by djmacdo View Post
                Look also at the difference in color and texture between the obverse and reverse. I like Zach's coin, but am suspicious of this piece.
                According to the situation of the coin in the ground, and to the type of ground, the result of corrosion on each side of the coin can be very different. It could be an argument to justify a completely reworked obverse, but this coin doesn't show heavy manipulation of the obv.

                Jérôme

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                • #9
                  Look at the shoulder

                  On the obverse, Constantine's shoulder shows rather profound corrosion damage not evident elsewhere on the obverse. That leads to my suspicion that the obverse has a lot of smoothing and some reengraving of details. I do not maintain the coin is false, but I think it wise to reserve judgement about it in some degree. Or at least, I do.

                  Mac

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by djmacdo View Post
                    On the obverse, Constantine's shoulder shows rather profound corrosion damage not evident elsewhere on the obverse.
                    I think it is only the original silvered layer that went off, also on cheek and the area in front of nose.

                    Jérôme

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                    • #11
                      another on ebay

                      Just saw this example on ebay today.....
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