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  • Fake Histaia Tetrobols

    Hi all,

    http://bpmurphy.ancients.info/images...istaiacomp.jpg

    These keep appearing in various venues, so I thought I'd make a composite image for everyone to study. This is a large image so it may take awhile to load. Images were taken from many sources and I didn't feel like taking the time to resize them all, so they are not to scale.

    These fakes first hit the market weeks after the 1999 New York hoard of Apollonia Ponticas. They were manufactured by the same people. Like the Apollonias, these were returned to the source but have been coming out through other channels. Some are being corroded to make them look older, but the styles are very distinct.

    Please note the style of the obverse with the flowing hair, pointing upwards, and the large pellets making up the flowers. This hair style is not found on authentic examples. Also notice the rather poorly executed reverse. On these forgeries AIEWN is always behind the nymph, although this does exist on authentic examples as well. ISTI is always before the nymph's feet. All have the wing on the prow, some very poorly executed and none have any symbols below the prow.

    Please study these photos. They are all fake.

    Barry Murphy

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    Thanks, Barry! Style aside, some of those examples are quite deceptive in their surface features...as with the Apollonia Ponticas, I fear this is another issue ruined by the Black Sea Hoard fakers.

    Jeff

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    • #3
      I've uploaded to the gallery an updated version of the die link analysis done by Andrew Caldarone of Aegean Numismatics. Between this an Barry's excellent composite, we have an excellent record.

      Bill

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      • #4
        Jeff,

        This series isn't ruined.....yet. The style of these is very distinctive and shouldn't be a problem once one can recognize them. Look at the BCD catalog for examples of ancient issues.

        These forgeries have been around for since 1999. This isn't the first time that I've posted about them, though it's been about 2 years since my last post. The numbered photos in my composite were compiled by Andrew Calderone. He had them posted online for awhile but the link I had has been dead for about a year. I see he's updated his photo with more examples. The additional photos in my picture all came from ebay over the last 60 days or so.

        Barry

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        • #5
          Are the coins filtering out of the same point of original origin? Ebay?

          Jeff

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          • #6
            Oh no!

            I'm have the Euboia tetrobol too.

            Is it a fake?

            Diameter: 18 mm
            Weight: 1.12 gr. - too low...

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            • #7
              The picture

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              • #8
                Thanks to the excellent work done here and our very able administrator, a similar fake I had posted prior to reading this thread was taken of my VCoins store. Unknowingly I had considered my consigned example as an original. I am very sorry about that and hope to find the time to read more about the threads listed concerning forgeries in order to avoid listing fake coins...there is still a lot to learn!
                Thanks to all concerned, Marc alias Marcantica
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                Homepage of Marcantica:
                http://users.telenet.be/Marcantica/

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                • #9
                  A couple more that have appeared for sale lately. Luckily very easy to spot once you have read this thread.




                  Both being sold as original on ebay amongst a batch of fake AtG tets.

                  Regards,
                  Martin
                  Martin Griffiths

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                  • #10
                    I'm a little confused by this statement: "On these forgeries AIEWN is always behind the nymph, although this does exist on authentic examples as well."

                    Most of the examples on this page have these letters behind the nymph: http://www.coinarchives.com/a/result...earch=histiaia

                    I'm not clear exactly what you are talking about. What am I missing here?

                    Glenn Simonelli
                    http://mysite.verizon.net/gsimonel/

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                    • #11
                      "although this DOES exist on authentic examples as well"

                      Now I get it. I thought you wrote that it does NOT exist on authentic examples. My mistake.

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                      • #12
                        Fake?

                        I think I might have a fake one of these, too. The size is approximately 12 mm and the weight is 1.1 g. Any opinions?

                        Glenn Simonelli
                        http://mysite.verizon.net/gsimonel/

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                        • #13
                          Yours is fine Glenn.

                          Barry

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                          • #14
                            Thank you for writing, Barry. I appreciate the reassurance. But isn't the fact that the weight is only 1.1 grams suspicious? This appears to be less than half the normal weight.

                            Glenn Simonelli
                            http://mysite.verizon.net/gsimonel/

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