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Old Nov 15, 2006, 05:08 PM   #1
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Windsor Antiquities

Anyone here have any experience with this Vcoins dealer?

They have some very interesting Greek ware but I am always very wary about buying this type of artifact. They of course guarantee authenticity and they are backed by the VCoins guarantee, but I need a little reassurrance.

I have no idea how I would get a Grecian Vase authenticated, so any first hand experience with them would be appreciated.

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Old Nov 15, 2006, 06:44 PM   #2
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I saw these items too Mark. I'd like to have one myself. I've seen many of their coin listings and they all looked fine. One of the vases had some pretty convincing encrustation on it. I'd bet genuine. Good question though... Anyone know where we could get pottery authenticated?

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Old Nov 16, 2006, 06:56 PM   #3
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Hi Mark and Gunner,
I have purchased three roman glass jars from this seller. In my opinion they look ancient and until I hear otherwise, will deem them so. Both of you are correct, it is hard to judge and in this case, I trust the dealer.
They are nice to display!
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Old Nov 16, 2006, 08:13 PM   #4
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Hi,

I purchased an Alexander the Great tetradrachm from Windsor and everything went extremely well.

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Old Nov 16, 2006, 09:07 PM   #5
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Method for authenticating pottery:

1. Separate pot into multiple pieces

2. Grind each piece into fine powder and dissolve into liquid

3. Examine under microscope, looking for tell-tale structural characteristics

4. Congratulations! Your pot was authentic!

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Old Nov 17, 2006, 02:42 AM   #6
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Dear Voz,
Me think you very funny!
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Old Nov 17, 2006, 05:24 AM   #7
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I bought an oil lamp from them. Good transaction and good communication. I would order from them again.
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Old Nov 17, 2006, 04:06 PM   #8
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I am not sure if this helps, but I have also had a very nice transaction with them, speedily delivery and well packaged. I purchased a bronze ibex finial and it is very pleasing to the eye (I hope it is authentic)
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Old Nov 17, 2006, 05:26 PM   #9
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Thanks for the comments.

Well, I am looking into this further. I don;t want to part with a few thousand to learn I own a $50 piece of modern pottery.

I did find this site and I am educating myself.

http://www.collector-antiquities.com/198/

http://www.collector-antiquities.com/152/

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Old Nov 18, 2006, 01:57 PM   #10
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Ronn,

Nice to meet another collector with a thematic animal collection fetish...mine's hippocamps.

Mark - I've purchased a few pieces through Malter Galleries and have been quite satisfied. With antiquities, my default is to go with dealers with great reputations and lifetime authenticity guarantees. When I was faced with a piece that I wasn't that sure about, I took it to a friend in the Archeology Dept. at my institution. For the most part, the feedback was not whether it was definitively authentic or not, but whether the style and patina were consistent with the era and age. I'll be curious to see what you learn about Greek pottery.

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Old Nov 23, 2006, 06:21 PM   #11
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Just a general point. In fact it mirrors what MVR repeats.

Specifically the last 2 paragraphs of this article.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html
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Old Nov 23, 2006, 08:46 PM   #12
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Pretty disconcerting, Mark.

I have a hard time swallowing the assumption that any monies gained by forgers are automatically channeled to terrorists:

"We know for a fact that there is a terrorism link," Lawson said. "Archaeological stuff is being exported by the ton-load from Middle Eastern countries. If the money goes back into criminality, some will inevitably end up in the hands of terrorists."

What evidence is there to support this contention, other than it involves the Middle East? Does this mean that the sale of art forgeries in Ireland are automatically there to support IRA activities? Similarly, are we to assume that art forgeries in the rural South are meant to support white supremist organizations?

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Old Nov 24, 2006, 05:18 PM   #13
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Jeff

Well, I would agree if the statement was in its entirety. However, this is the press and quotes are often not the entire story.

As an example, here is another item from the Washington Times. It gives a bit more breadth to the topic.

I imagine that a thorough interview would reveal far more and sound more substantive than the initial blurb.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20061...3211-8809r.htm


btw the number of articles I have found regarding forgeries in the antiquities market is remarkably large. Far beyond the obvious faked scarabs, oil lamps and Luristan swords. Needless to say, I will think long and hard before procuring any Grecian pottery.

I don't want to be penning my own "Ode to a Faux Grecian Urn" (Keats need not worry).

Happy belated T-Day to all those who celebrate.

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