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Old Dec 11, 2007, 05:51 PM   #1
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Triton/Gemini

Anyone traveliing to NYC for the auctions in January?
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Old Dec 11, 2007, 07:14 PM   #2
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I am seriously thinking about it, having never been there, or to NY in general. To those who have been to it, do you think it's worth a trip from the west coast? I am not a dealer or a high profile collector, but I would like to see what's there and maybe get some coins if I find the "right ones".

Oh, and also, how's NY in January? I hear the weather's pretty rough that time of the year. Maybe not the best time to visit, but then the convention is only once a year.
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I am seriously thinking about it, having never been there, or to NY in general. To those who have been to it, do you think it's worth a trip from the west coast? I am not a dealer or a high profile collector, but I would like to see what's there and maybe get some coins if I find the "right ones".
Oh, and also, how's NY in January? I hear the weather's pretty rough that time of the year. Maybe not the best time to visit, but then the convention is only once a year.
I often urge European friends to make the trip, so it's surely worth trekking all the way from the west coast for the Int'l. (Of course, Europeans are generally sturdier than Left Coastians.) There's really nothing like it. The weather is unfortunately erratic, often cold, sometimes snowy; January is not the best month to visit NY. It's a dingy gray gray time of year. For decades the show was in early December, which was delightful: the weather usually mild, the city all decked out for the holidays. Events put a stop to that though.

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I would encourage setting aside a day to spend at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, which has some of the more spectacular antiquities on the East Coast. If your tastes veer more towards the modern than the Neue Galerie or MOMA are musts. Also, I believe there is an antiquities shop/dealer of note in NYC...the name escapes me, but Mark would know as he visited there earlier this year.

Don't let stories about the weather scare you off. NYC residents are hearty and the city infrastructure is able to handle all but the worst blizzards.

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I am seriously thinking about it, having never been there, or to NY in general. To those who have been to it, do you think it's worth a trip from the west coast? I am not a dealer or a high profile collector, but I would like to see what's there and maybe get some coins if I find the "right ones".

Oh, and also, how's NY in January? I hear the weather's pretty rough that time of the year. Maybe not the best time to visit, but then the convention is only once a year.

I think it's a blast. I booked my room last night. You will get a chance to see some really incredible coins, meet some interesting people and I just love the auction itself.

As far as the weather, it can be pretty cold and it could snow, but you only have to deal with that when outside. Them city folks have these things called "Taxi cabs", wonderful invention (subway is less wonderful).

Jeff is also correct, you can take a walk over to Royal Athena, or go see the new Greek/Roman Gallery at the Met.

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I am seriously thinking about it, having never been there, or to NY in general. To those who have been to it, do you think it's worth a trip from the west coast? I am not a dealer or a high profile collector, but I would like to see what's there and maybe get some coins if I find the "right ones".

Oh, and also, how's NY in January? I hear the weather's pretty rough that time of the year. Maybe not the best time to visit, but then the convention is only once a year.
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The last NYINC I went to was 2006 and although I was there for 6 days (remember, there are auctions even before the show begins!) I didn't have enough time to see everything I wanted at the auctions or the show. There was so much to see that I didn't even get through all of the three rooms of dealers! And the high-power auctions are something to see in person. It was a lot of fun for me since I did get the lots I wanted, but was even more fun sitting in the room with quite a few of the other VCoins dealers. Barry and I attended Triton together and Glenn Woods was right behind me, Ron Bude a couple of rows up, Robert Kokotailo in our row, Frank Kovacs and some of the other major buyers up front. Good stuff! Wish I would have had another couple of weeks there to go see some sights.

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There was so much to see that I didn't even get through all of the three rooms of dealers! And the high-power auctions are something to see in person. It was a lot of fun for me since I did get the lots I wanted, but was even more fun sitting in the room with quite a few of the other VCoins dealers. Good stuff! Wish I would have had another couple of weeks there to go see some sights.

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You forgot to mention the showgirls and free drinks.

Or maybe that was some other convention.
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You forgot to mention the showgirls and free drinks.

Or maybe that was some other convention.
I thought I saw you there in the back of the room....

Actually, there really was a buffet at the Gemini auction. Harlan Berk had put out a phenomenal spread with roast beef and such. He kidded me later as he saw I didn't have any and asked if I skipped it because I didn't think it was for folks like me Unfortunately, that was exactly what I was thinking. I did spend around $10,000 at that auction (Gemini I) but I figured the buffet was for the real bidders and consignors. As most folks know, I'm not usually one to pass up an offer for piles of meat, so extreme restraint was called for in this case. Just reinforces the mantra "it never hurts to ask". DOH!

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I thought I saw you there in the back of the room....

Actually, there really was a buffet at the Gemini auction. Harlan Berk had put out a phenomenal spread with roast beef and such. He kidded me later as he saw I didn't have any and asked if I skipped it because I didn't think it was for folks like me Unfortunately, that was exactly what I was thinking. I did spend around $10,000 at that auction (Gemini I) but I figured the buffet was for the real bidders and consignors. As most folks know, I'm not usually one to pass up an offer for piles of meat, so extreme restraint was called for in this case. Just reinforces the mantra "it never hurts to ask". DOH!

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Last year it was Filet Mignon.

Hopefully this year there will be lobster tails also.

Phil................you have any sway in this matter?

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Last year it was Filet Mignon.
Hopefully this year there will be lobster tails also.
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Perhaps... but I use my powers only for good. Eating lobster contravenes at least two of what my wife deems my unacceptable number of food rules, most notably, I don't eat creatures that have the potential to live longer than I do. No lobsters, no sturgeon, no tortoises, no parrots.

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Thanks for the input guys, very helpful. Indeed, I want to see as many places as possible. The Met and Royal Athena gallery are definitely on my list. I think I'll have no more than four days there, so I'll have to schedule it right. The trip itself is not that big of a deal, I'm used to 10+ hour flights. Now I am looking to find a room as well, somewhere nearby, preferably not in the Astoria Hotel which will set me back $2K at least.
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Thanks for the input guys, very helpful. Indeed, I want to see as many places as possible. The Met and Royal Athena gallery are definitely on my list. I think I'll have no more than four days there, so I'll have to schedule it right. The trip itself is not that big of a deal, I'm used to 10+ hour flights. Now I am looking to find a room as well, somewhere nearby, preferably not in the Astoria Hotel which will set me back $2K at least.
There is a Marriott across the street. I use the Radison on Lexington a block away. Great little sushi bar.

No matter where you stay, insist on a room above the 12th floor. The street noise is brutal if you aren't a regular city dweller. Especially if you are over one of the major avenues or cross streets.
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Thanks, Mark. Luckily I've been a city dweller all my life, so street noise won't be shocking for me, though I'm sure it's extra special in NYC. Having been to LA and Chicago, it's time to tackle the Big Apple.
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Jeff is also correct, you can take a walk over to Royal Athena, or go see the new Greek/Roman Gallery at the Met.


FYI

According to todays NY Times article, both will now have a few of their more prized items missings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/ar...=1&oref=slogin

And so on. All told, 69 objects have been included in the exhibition. For Italian cultural officials and negotiators, the show is a declaration of victory in their long and often contentious negotiations for the return of such artifacts.

Along with the pieces from the four American museums (most, nearly 40, from the Getty’s antiquities villa in Pacific Palisades, Calif.), are 5 of 8 pieces that were returned this year from the Royal Athena Galleries in New York. The Greek government lent a statue from the sixth century B.C. of a kore, or maiden, to thank Italy for its help in pressing its own separate claims to items it says were looted


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Mark,

You know what really gets my goat about this whole subject of repatriation? I'm not against the idea of a culturally significant item which belongs to a country if that culture still exists there, but what gets me is that pieces (and now coins with the topic of Cyprus) are to be surrendered without compensation of any kind to the current owner back to the country from which is was looted most likely with the help of corrupt officials in the first place. Basically:

- Item is found in non-United Kingdom country (because the UK is the only progressive nation in considering helping the individual who finds anything)

- Item is sold to local contact

- Contact pays off government official or smuggles on their own out of the country

- Smuggler sells item

- Country finds out after item is sold and takes it back

So, the finder gets some chump change, the contact gets a little more, the corrupt official gets a nice payoff, the smuggler makes a killing and the country gets the item back for free and the western world is stuck paying for it. Pretty nice setup if you ask me. Wouldn't even surprise me to find out that the smuggler is the main contact to tell the government officials when they have received their payoff and who bought what so the government can start to make plans to get it back.

I'm not saying I have proof that this is what is going on, I'm just saying it is the most likely scenario and often the most simple scenario is the most likely.

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