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Old Jul 17, 2011, 06:19 AM   #1
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Sadly..........

http://www.hottesthiphop.net/feds-bu...-mummy-coffins

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/...s_8565825.html

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Old Jul 17, 2011, 09:55 AM   #2
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Disapointing

this is disappointing news and does not reflect well on the trade and all those trying to make an honest living.

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Old Jul 17, 2011, 04:35 PM   #3
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Gamblers play, gamblers (sometimes) lose. Rule of the game.

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Old Jul 17, 2011, 09:12 PM   #4
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Somewhat more than a gambler I would say....Alleged crook
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I couldn't help but notice, that a couple of the accused are (or were, as I see their storefronts have disappeared), Vcoins dealers. A very sad situation.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 11:00 AM   #6
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I couldn't help but notice, that a couple of the accused are (or were, as I see their storefronts have disappeared), Vcoins dealers. A very sad situation.
The more I read, the worse it gets.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...624549304.html

does explain some things however......... that I often wondered about.

In the end, it's always better to keep ones nose clean.............

......terribly disappointing series of developments here.
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Old Jul 18, 2011, 02:59 PM   #7
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......terribly disappointing series of developments here.
Disappointing, Mark? Junkies need their shoot. Collectors need material. Some people are ready to provide; and the provenance will not be the first concern of many buyers (I'm not talking about thefts in museums). For more important pieces, provenance now becomes very important, and even mandatory in venues like Sotheby's and Christie's; that's an important argument for further resale. A good 19th cent. French or English collection pedigree will make the prices skyrocket. But even this Egyptian sarcophagus would have get a phoney provenance in order to pass the market, such as "Oh! My great-great-grand father found this antique mummy box thing in his garden!". Collectors need material.

With regards to coins, there's very seldom a provenance specified in the sale/auction catalogs. Sometimes, from an official hoard of late Roman AEs. But for Greeks tets (Athen owls, Alexander and so on), which are rarely found isolated, but rather in hoards, never a provenance. Isn't it strange?
Another interesting thing mentioned by the article: Dubai. This is no wonder. Dubai is the hub to easily export artifacts and coins from the whole Middle-East.

Hope I'm not starting a troll here

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Old Jul 18, 2011, 03:12 PM   #8
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The more I read, the worse it gets.



does explain some things however......... that I often wondered about.


......terribly disappointing series of developments here.
I have to agree with you here Mark. There were some signs that something like this was a foot, but to be honest my suspicions were that the individual in question was a few more spots along the chain removed from the center cog.

In any case, very sad, and a very dark spot on our collecting fraternity.

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Old Jul 18, 2011, 03:43 PM   #9
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Disappointing, Mark? Junkies need their shoot. Collectors need material. Some people are ready to provide; and the provenance will not be the first concern of many buyers (I'm not talking about thefts in museums). For more important pieces, provenance now becomes very important, and even mandatory in venues like Sotheby's and Christie's; that's an important argument for further resale. A good 19th cent. French or English collection pedigree will make the prices skyrocket. But even this Egyptian sarcophagus would have get a phoney provenance in order to pass the market, such as "Oh! My great-great-grand father found this antique mummy box thing in his garden!". Collectors need material.

With regards to coins, there's very seldom a provenance specified in the sale/auction catalogs. Sometimes, from an official hoard of late Roman AEs. But for Greeks tets (Athen owls, Alexander and so on), which are rarely found isolated, but rather in hoards, never a provenance. Isn't it strange?
Another interesting thing mentioned by the article: Dubai. This is no wonder. Dubai is the hub to easily export artifacts and coins from the whole Middle-East.

Hope I'm not starting a troll here

Jérôme
Disappointing that it was a familiar name.
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Disappointing that it was a familiar name.
The familiar name I know was dealing with hoards of ancient coins in Syria, a country where the penalty for this activity is at least 10 years prison. So I'm not really surprised here.

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For one of the persons in question, I suspect that a majority of the coins confiscated in the bust were not Egyptian in origin. Egypt may have been a point of shipment/travel for the coins, but I would lay odds that many were coined to the immediate west of the region. Continuing conflict in this particular region has been fertile grounds for illicit export and Egypt is just a logical waystation.

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Old Jul 19, 2011, 10:42 PM   #12
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Dear Members
plz dont judge before you hear the law final word in this issue.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 04:29 AM   #13
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plz dont judge before you hear the law final word in this issue.
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Good Luck to you Salem. You have a tough road ahead.

Wa alaikum assalaam
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 08:09 AM   #14
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Ditto.

BTW - I read somewhere else and heard a rumor (so far) that this case may be one of Hawass' "last hurrahs" before being fired from his current position. Is this true?
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In Mark's Wall Street Journal link (see above), it does state that "Mr. Hawaas provided experts to help U.S. officials authenticate the artifacts." And at Hawaas' own website:

http://www.drhawass.com/blog/victory...iquities-trade

he is quite excited over the story, and writes: "I have been following this case ever since the U.S. authorities approached us for help -- I have not been able to discuss it in public, however, because the information was sensitive, and could have jeopardized the outcome. I have to say that it was like something from a movie. Hollywood could make this case into a blockbuster hit!"

That of course, remains to be seen; we do not know what the final outcome will be in court. Good luck Salem; I hope your name can be cleared of any wrongdoing.
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