"Hoard" of LRB from Eastern Serbia - Page 2 - Ancients.info - The Online Resource for Ancient Coins & Antiquities

Salem · Aug 15, 2009, 08:06 PM

AT 3 meters ???
any hoard that deep will have bad corrosion and thick dirt, and clearly this is not a Jar found, and clearly most of it just Four types and few are not, since we had handeled lots of those hoards and having one comming in the way I would say that the type mixture definatly dosent match any logice, and surely those are not a hoard, I always see in this type of hoards lot of Gloria and commerative coins, and all the Gloria in this one are in big size almost all AE 3 size and no AE 3/4 size.
over all I woudent touch it and wouldent wast time on it.
all the best
Salem

Congius · Aug 20, 2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeastCoins

I guess we will be seeing these in the wild as individual examples in eBay auctions in the near future

Yep - here we go...

Ben

BeastCoins · Aug 20, 2009, 02:32 PM

Blech! Those look truly horrid!

--Beast

maridvnvm · Aug 20, 2009, 06:02 PM

Same seller....

Congius · Aug 20, 2009, 07:20 PM

.. and the seller has all his photos on photobucket - if you click on any of his eBay photos it takes you there!

http://s474.photobucket.com/albums/r...flnumismatica/

Ben

Marcantica · Aug 21, 2009, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Congius

.. and the seller has all his photos on photobucket - if you click on any of his eBay photos it takes you there!

http://s474.photobucket.com/albums/r...flnumismatica/

Ben

Very nice of him to put all these fakes on the internet!
Now everyone knows what NOT to buy.
Every faked type has the same mintmark and officina.
This should also make it easier to spot parts of this so called "treasure", even when broken up into smaller parts.
For beginners this might be very confusing though, looking at the effort these forgers made to produce different types.
Best regards,
Marc

BeastCoins · Aug 21, 2009, 07:42 AM

Check out the seller's banner...

Ya gotta love the Uranius Antoninus tet on the bookends - that's a gorgeous coin. As if he owns it. Doubt it! But seriously, I'm laughing because he is using MY HADRIAN AUREUS in his logo!!!

Hadrian, AV Aureus, 119-122, Rome
IMP CAESAR TRAIAN HA_DRIANVS AVG
Laureate, draped bust right, seen from behind
P M TR P-COS III
Minerva, helmeted, standing facing, head left, spear in left hand, pointing with right hand at Spanish olive tree at left, rabbit below facing right
19mm x 20mm, 7.12g
RIC II, -- (cf. RIC 70, but unlisted with this bust type); Calico 1309 (citing a specimen in a Hess 1951 Auction, not this coin)

Note: The rabbit on the reverse is in reference to the Roman province of Hispania Baetica and the issue is an appeal for the aid of the gods as he planned his first travels around the empire, leaving Rome in 121. On this example, Minerva is shown in her "peace-giving" aspect versus her more often seen guise of war.

I should send him a note to tell him if he's going to push fakes on the Internet, he can't use my photo for his store!

--Beast

Flavus · Aug 21, 2009, 08:09 AM

Well, it looks like the "hoard" sellers are already gone. Their website http://www.sacra-moneta.de/ is already shutdown. How about that!

maridvnvm · Aug 21, 2009, 09:15 AM

The Uranius Antoninus tet is currently in the Forvm catalog so I think this guy has done much more than dream about the coins in that banner.
Martin

4to2centophilia · Aug 21, 2009, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeastCoins

Check out the seller's banner...

Ya gotta love the Uranius Antoninus tet on the bookends - that's a gorgeous coin. As if he owns it. Doubt it! But seriously, I'm laughing because he is using MY HADRIAN AUREUS in his logo!!!

--Beast

How flattering...............in an absolutely corrupted way.

dlyumkis · Aug 21, 2009, 01:40 PM

in fact, every coin from the banner is a direct copy from the Forum catalog.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...ns.com/Coins2/

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...ns.com/Coins2/

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...ins.com/Coins/

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...r=18&zpg=40373

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...r=18&zpg=27964

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...ins.com/Coins/

Dmitry

BeastCoins · Aug 21, 2009, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlyumkis

in fact, every coin from the banner is a direct copy from the Forum catalog.

Dmitry

Maybe he is a Forvm member in hiding? I do have my Hadrian aureus consigned to Joe, so it makes sense that's where he lifted the image of it.

--Beast

Paul Bulgerin · Aug 22, 2009, 06:54 PM

Here's one of the fakes from this group now showing up on eBay Great Britain:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CONSTANTINE-II...d=p3286.c0.m14

It sure looks to be a match to the coins in this lot of fakes.

Paul Bulgerin
bulgerin@sbcglobal.net

RobertB · Aug 22, 2009, 07:25 PM

I think it's funny that the same seller is also listing a pirated copy of RIC on CD, so buyers can properly attribute their fake coins.

marcus flavius · Aug 26, 2009, 09:02 AM

Looks as if we are approaching a new era of counterfieting that will do great harm to the hobby. In the past it was taken for granted common Late Roman Bronze was immune from being copied because of their low retail value. Seens that has changed with the new technology and outlets to market these fakes.
As you mentioned about the pirated RIC, perhaps these forgers can create "unlisted in RIC" "very rare" and "unique" products for a value added touch. Like to see how many will be fooled by that.
Be that as it may, thanks for bringing this to our attention.

PS With tons of cull material out there, I assume the forgers will use ancients metals to give their wares an added benefit to fool "eperts!

Aug 15, 2009, 08:06 PM	#16
Salem Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Windsor Posts: 200	AT 3 meters ??? any hoard that deep will have bad corrosion and thick dirt, and clearly this is not a Jar found, and clearly most of it just Four types and few are not, since we had handeled lots of those hoards and having one comming in the way I would say that the type mixture definatly dosent match any logice, and surely those are not a hoard, I always see in this type of hoards lot of Gloria and commerative coins, and all the Gloria in this one are in big size almost all AE 3 size and no AE 3/4 size. over all I woudent touch it and wouldent wast time on it. all the best Salem __________________ http://www.vcoins.com/ancient/holyland

Aug 20, 2009, 02:32 PM	#18
BeastCoins Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,420	Blech! Those look truly horrid! --Beast __________________ VCoins Ancients Store: http://www.vcoins.com/beastcoins VCoins US/Banknotes Store: http://www.vcoins.com/us/beastcoins VCoins World Store: http://www.vcoins.com/world/beastcoins Beast Coins Research Site: http://www.beastcoins.com

Aug 21, 2009, 07:42 AM	#22
BeastCoins Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,420	Check out the seller's banner... Ya gotta love the Uranius Antoninus tet on the bookends - that's a gorgeous coin. As if he owns it. Doubt it! But seriously, I'm laughing because he is using MY HADRIAN AUREUS in his logo!!! Hadrian, AV Aureus, 119-122, Rome IMP CAESAR TRAIAN HA_DRIANVS AVG Laureate, draped bust right, seen from behind P M TR P-COS III Minerva, helmeted, standing facing, head left, spear in left hand, pointing with right hand at Spanish olive tree at left, rabbit below facing right 19mm x 20mm, 7.12g RIC II, -- (cf. RIC 70, but unlisted with this bust type); Calico 1309 (citing a specimen in a Hess 1951 Auction, not this coin) Note: The rabbit on the reverse is in reference to the Roman province of Hispania Baetica and the issue is an appeal for the aid of the gods as he planned his first travels around the empire, leaving Rome in 121. On this example, Minerva is shown in her "peace-giving" aspect versus her more often seen guise of war. I should send him a note to tell him if he's going to push fakes on the Internet, he can't use my photo for his store! --Beast __________________ VCoins Ancients Store: http://www.vcoins.com/beastcoins VCoins US/Banknotes Store: http://www.vcoins.com/us/beastcoins VCoins World Store: http://www.vcoins.com/world/beastcoins Beast Coins Research Site: http://www.beastcoins.com Last edited by BeastCoins : Aug 21, 2009 at 07:51 AM. Reason: Cleaned up LOLspeak

Aug 21, 2009, 09:15 AM	#24
maridvnvm Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wales, United Kningdom Posts: 493	The Uranius Antoninus tet is currently in the Forvm catalog so I think this guy has done much more than dream about the coins in that banner. Martin __________________ Martin Griffiths

Aug 21, 2009, 01:40 PM	#26
dlyumkis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 173	in fact, every coin from the banner is a direct copy from the Forum catalog. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...ns.com/Coins2/ http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...ns.com/Coins2/ http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...ins.com/Coins/ http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...r=18&zpg=40373 http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...r=18&zpg=27964 http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...ins.com/Coins/ Dmitry Last edited by dlyumkis : Aug 21, 2009 at 01:57 PM.

Aug 20, 2009, 07:20 PM	#20
Congius Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	.. and the seller has all his photos on photobucket - if you click on any of his eBay photos it takes you there! http://s474.photobucket.com/albums/r...flnumismatica/ Ben

Aug 21, 2009, 08:09 AM	#23
Flavus Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 69	Well, it looks like the "hoard" sellers are already gone. Their website http://www.sacra-moneta.de/ is already shutdown. How about that!

Aug 22, 2009, 06:54 PM	#28
Paul Bulgerin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9	A Fake on eBay from the "Hoard" Here's one of the fakes from this group now showing up on eBay Great Britain: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CONSTANTINE-II...d=p3286.c0.m14 It sure looks to be a match to the coins in this lot of fakes. Paul Bulgerin bulgerin@sbcglobal.net

Aug 22, 2009, 07:25 PM	#29
RobertB Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 121	I think it's funny that the same seller is also listing a pirated copy of RIC on CD, so buyers can properly attribute their fake coins.

Aug 26, 2009, 09:02 AM	#30
marcus flavius Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New England Posts: 300	Looks as if we are approaching a new era of counterfieting that will do great harm to the hobby. In the past it was taken for granted common Late Roman Bronze was immune from being copied because of their low retail value. Seens that has changed with the new technology and outlets to market these fakes. As you mentioned about the pirated RIC, perhaps these forgers can create "unlisted in RIC" "very rare" and "unique" products for a value added touch. Like to see how many will be fooled by that. Be that as it may, thanks for bringing this to our attention. PS With tons of cull material out there, I assume the forgers will use ancients metals to give their wares an added benefit to fool "eperts!

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